Versionen Agora B

[flyingdoc]

Hallo Revoxler,

kann mir jemand den Unterschied zwischen den Lautsprechern Agora B, Agora II und Agora B SL erklären?
Vielen Dank im voraus.

Grüsse

Herby

[Frank Schieschke]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hallo Herby,
Agora B MKI
Agora B MKII
Agora B Slim-Line

[flyingdoc]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Vielen Dank,

jetzt blicke ich mehr durch. Ich nehme an Agora B MkII und slimline haben nicht die große Verbreitung gefunden.

Grüsse

Herby

[Hausi]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hallo Herby,

die Agora MK II gibt noch "relativ" oft. Obwohl sie schon damals natürlich nicht Jedermann gekauft hatte, dafür war der Preis schon etwas am oberen Limit angesiedelt! Die Agora B (nicht MK I, einfach die normale erste Agora B !) kann man aber auch heute noch öfters finden. Obwohl mann in 80 % aller Fälle (ausser den Sicken der Lautsprecher) auch die eingebauten Verstärker revidieren lassen muss, was dann doch ins Geld geht.
Eher selten verkauft (und deshalb noch seltener auf dem Gebrauchtmarkt erhältlich) wurde aber die Agora SL (Slim Line) und hier vor allem in schwarzem Klavierlack.
Diese Boxen (in gutem Zustand, Schwarz und in Klavierlack, zu einem noch bezahlbaren Preis) suche ich nämlich schon seit einiger Zeit!

Gruss
Hausi

[flyingdoc]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Noch ein Konkurrent um die Agora...

Grüsse

Herby

[Revoxianer]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hallo ihr SL-Liebhaber,

im Rahmen einer IFA in Berlin hatte ich mich u.a. für eine AGORA B als Demo-Lautsprecher ausgesprochen. In der Folge hatten wir diesen Lautsprecher beim Hörvergleich des DHFI eingesetzt. Klanglich überzeugte mich der Lautsprecher nicht. Ganz anders die AGORA SL, meines Erachtens deutlich mehr Druck und eine in sich stimmigere Wiedergabe. Für mich persönlich war die SL die beste AGORA.

Viele Grüße
Bernd

[Hausi]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hallo Bernd,

................... Für mich persönlich war die SL die beste AGORA..............

GANZ GENAU.

Und darum suchen Herby und ich (und andere) sie ja auch.

Gruss
Hausi

[Hochwarder Alfred]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Die beste Agora ist die, die zu Hause herumsteht.
(Bei mir ist es die Agora B).
Als Aktivbox kann ich sie hervorragend an den Abhörraum anpassen.

[JUDGE]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hello,

The difference between the Agora B MKII en the Slim Line is nothing but the cabinet. Electronics and the sound are the same.

Between the Agora B and the Slim Line (and the MKII too ofcourse) is VERY big. The Agora B sounds a lot better. The lower tones are better with the B and the high as well.

We have the Slim Lines and the B at home and everyone agrees that the only advantage of the SL is the shape. Cause the sound is less then the regular B... Ow, the SL can reach higher sound pressure...

I'm also searching for a pair of SL (the ones at home are my dads, I only have the B) but I'm probably just gonna clone them... cloned they sound better AND I can choose the color myself

Kind Regard

[Hochwarder Alfred]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Der Meinung bin ich auch (sonst hätte ich mir ein paar SL oder Mk2 gekauft).
Aber Höreindruck ist immer subjektiv. Es soll sogar Leute geben, die den Unterschied bei verschiedenen Verbindungskabel nicht heraushören können !!

[Machalik]

Re: Versionen Agora B

Hello,
I'm new to this forum, registered just today.

I have a pair of black piano lacquer Revox Agora B speakers. The old ones. I've bought them half a year ago and I'm still amazed by their performance! They are just awesome. So far, they outperformed any other speakers I've had at home.

There is some competition, though, in the bass region between them and some fairly bigger speakers. For example, a friend of mine has Revox Symbol B and in the bass, well, my Agoras can't compete with them. But in all the rest of the spectrum the Symbols are worse.

I'm very very satisfied with the sound of my small Agoras but if there was anything I would change, it would be the bass performance. So I thought to myself that trying to buy a pair of Agora B Mk II or Slim Lines would do the job. But now I read here that someone actually has compared these directly against each other and that the old ones are better! So I'm confused now.

I'd like a better, bigger and more natural bass (such as only a big driver is capable of producing) but I definitelly don't want to sacrifice the smooth and clear sound of my midrange and treble.

I've looked at the Slim Lines picture and it seems to me that they have exactly the same drivers as the Studer A 723 studio monitors (which I also happened to have at home for a couple of weeks and actually replaced them with Agoras right after I heard them). Should the new Agora B Mk II or Slim Lines sound more like the Studers than Agoras B I don't want them. But should they be like Agoras B with better bass, they are worth consideration.

Could anyone experienced give me a more detailed subjective opinion on the differences?

Thanks a lot. Hope this thread is not dead yet.
Jiri Machala

PS: Sorry for being so wordy and for the English. I can't write German very well though I can read. Feel free to answer in German.

[Machalik]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hi, is there really no one who could answer the questions?

[Machalik]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hi,
I can now see that this thread is dead to the bones. A pity.
Still I think it's worth mentioning that I've just bought a pair of the Mk II's and next week I'll compare them for the first time with my current Mk I's.
If anyone is interested I can write a short article or mail about the comparison. I'll be having those two together at home until I decide to sell one of them.
My e-mail is jiri_machala@centrum.cz for anyone who'd like to have a chat.
Greetings,
Jiri

[Patrol]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hello Jiri,

congrats to your purchase of the MK-II's, I hope they're in as great a shape as described.

I for one would be very interested in your findings regarding the direct comparison of Agora B vs. Agora B MK-II.

While I am not that much of a loudspeaker fan, I do have a pair of MK-II's myself, already with the electronics restored by Vincenzo Di Benedetto.
I enjoy listening to them, however, I much more prefer my Jecklin Float "head speakers" driven by an A68.
Should I ever feel tempted again to buy a pair of speakers, I guess I would fall again for the old JBL 250Ti; silly me sold a pair of them back in 1989 for very little money when I left Switzerland to work abroad.

Regarding your other post here I think you should consider a complete overhaul of the electronics, not just a repair, as already mentioned by dk0xxl (Michael)

I hope you'll be having fun comparing the beasts, please keep us posted.

Regards,
Markus

[Machalik]

AW: Versionen Agora B

Hello,
It's been quite a while, so let's go for a little review of both of them, I mean Mk I and Mk II.

I'll start with the Mk I since I've owned these for nearly two years by now.
These are real beasts. Small and old, yet SO much performing and amazing. In a way, I've never heard a speaker like this. Of course there are better, but the size/performance/price ratio is unbelievable. I am never going to sell them. One day, when I buy much bigger and better boxes, I will still keep these for bedroom or something.
They sound so open. So big. So fluid. So powerful in bass, even if they are missing a real bass driver. Having stood them on a pair of small stands the sound has lifted up from the floor and now they nearly sound like big speakers. After two years with no improvements in the hifi set, I am still being amazed. Still in love with them, I'd say.

But they lie.
Since I've bought the Mk II, I am experiencing a much more precise sound. Now I really understand what all the people were telling to me about the lack of detail, treble inadequacy, bass inaccuracy etc. Mk II are better. Technically. There's no doubt. In every aspect they sound more precise, better defined, the bass is more contoured, the details spring out, the voices sound like real and so forth. People who like classical music made their opinions after five minutes of listening and they were absolutely right.

Well, whatever.
I don't care.

To me, after switching to Mk II the sound dimished. It gained all that accuracy and everything, but somehow it also went smaller, regardless on the stands. The bass doesn't go so deep anymore and loses its punchiness in exhange for being well-defined. The midrange doesn't sound that liquid and seamless since then. I can now hear all the tiny things in the treble area but who cares. There's less life, less joy, less reality in the music for me. Now the speakers make no lies. They sound exactly like small boxes, just as they really are. They do not hide anything, nor do they make you feel like "wooow, now what's this!" anymore.

Definitely, the Mk I is my cup of tea. The Mk II is more like a monitor kind of a speaker, with all it's pros and cons. In many respects they remind me of the Studer A723 studio monitors which I also happened to have at home for some time. They actually use the same tweeter and midrange speakers.

Now, of course I was little exaggerating. Any of these two are neither the best or bad speakers. Compared to any modern competition within reasonable price margins they still kick ass. The built-in amps are a big plus; one doesn't need to seek an amplifier and spend another fortune for it. The sound color is very normal, neutral and pleasant, there's no harshness or synthetic impurity in it, they are not directional and the sweet-spot is huge, the sound is compact and seamless and everything. I have heard some definitely better speakers, such as Quadral Titan or B&W Matrix 800 or Dynaudio Consequence, but these cost different money and need strong amps that cost just as much also.

So, here's my summary:
Anyone who's looking for an accurate, detailed and monitor-like sound, should go for the Mk II.
But people who value features like rather huge sound mass with a lot of clarity and liquidity to it might find the Mk I better.

Does this do?
Sorry for being so wordy.

J.

PS: The Mk II are for sale... Czech Republic, Europe.